The Talk Show

August 2, 2025 • Louie Mantia

On the latest episode of The Talk Show, John and I talked for three hours about hoagies, light mode, dark mode, vintage MacOS, NeXT, Mac OS X, modern macOS, perceived stability, Aqua, and—of course—Liquid Glass.

Leading up to this episode, I wrote these three posts about Liquid Glass, which you may be interested in:

My issue with Liquid Glass is not an isolated one about the material quality and legibility, but rather a fundamental one about the implications of integrating buttons, tab bars, and text fields into content views. This issue is rooted in the directional change of Apple platforms from 2014.

I know three-hour podcasts are often tedious. I can’t know if what we talk about will resonate with you or be worth your time.

But if you have a long drive or trip coming up, buckle up.